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Chainmail sample weave types!

Figured I'd post this for crafty types to see, in case they might want to use a design or length of it in some of their crafting.

In either case... .
I've given the names of each type of weave, in case someone wants to look online for more information or instructions on one of them. I can also post help if needed. Also, it's randomly interesting to see the names people came up with. Note: I only named one of these... Wilbert weave... which I invented :P They're also sorted by category of the weave style.

The entire sample pile. Not much to look at in here, but it gives you an idea of the amount:

True European:

European 4-1
European 4-1 with scales
European 4-1 with scales (no spaces)
European 4-1 wrong way
European 4-1 on a bias
European 6-1

Modified European:

Interwoven 4-1

Full Persian:

One and a half persian
Lobster tail
Flat full persian
Full persian 6-1
B8FP (box ate full persian)
Full persian 8-1 grizzly

Half Persian:

Half persian 3-1
One and a half HP 3-1
GSG (great southern gathering)
Double half persian 3-1
Half persian 4-1
Half persian 3+1 in 1
Half persian 6-1


Japanese 4-1
Japanese 8-2 cubic
Japanese 6-1


Turkish roundmaille
Inverted roundmaille
Captive inverted roundmaille


Power line
Baelrog's barb wire
Turkish orbital

Multiple Ring Size:

Dragon's tail
Helm chain
This is not water
This is not food

Simple Random:

Shaggy weave
RSD (rhino snorting drano)
Jacob's ladder
Jen's pind linkage
Tomato sandwich
Spinal weave

Complex Random:

Bore worm
Persian dragonscale
Beez to butterflies
Wilbert weave

So yeah... there ya go. Enjoy :}


( 29 comments — Leave a comment )
Jan. 13th, 2007 05:44 pm (UTC)
it's.... it's... chainmail porn!!!

mmmm chainmail...
Jan. 13th, 2007 05:50 pm (UTC)
These are AMAZING. My fingers hurt just LOOKING at them.
Jan. 13th, 2007 05:55 pm (UTC)
your work is beautiful, but having worked at renaissance festivals for several years, i wouldn't be able to live with myself if i didn't say that its not called chainmail. it's either chain or mail, not both. its the same word in different languages so saying both is redundant. sorry, just had to get that out.
Jan. 13th, 2007 06:49 pm (UTC)
Now I'm confused.

Although mail can apply to chain mail, isn't it also any "flexible" armor? Including scale mail and certain plate mail?

Also, every dictionary I've seen recognizes chain mail (albeit not without the space) as flexible armor consisting of small rings and none recognise chain as such. So by that, even though chainmail without the space may be incorrect, it's not because of redundancy, but a very common typo.

Not trying to piss in your Cheerios, just looking for some clarification. ^_^
Jan. 13th, 2007 07:02 pm (UTC)
i beleive the dictionaries are wrong. i think the majority of history buffs, and every history buff/major/teacher ive ever spoken to tells me that the proper way of saying it is either chain or mail, not both. i think its become befuddled through movies and other such nonsense.

also, ive never heard of mail referring to plate armour. i know several people who make their own chain and plate armour and they've always referred to it as chain and plate armour. i could be wrong though, of course.

p.s. i love alton brown
Jan. 14th, 2007 01:09 am (UTC)
Quite possibly... but if I go around telling everyone I make mail, they'll be all like "well... so do we... especially when we send our tax forms in" or something like that :P

The fact of the matter is that EVERYONE will recognize chainmail (albeit once I had to clarify that I don't make chain-letters, which are something entirely different). If I tell someone I mail, they won't have the foggiest clue what I'm referring to.
Jan. 14th, 2007 01:30 am (UTC)
oi vay! what a very unique situation...I think I'll ruminate on it while drinking my chai tea...

Okay so the point there was that it's hardly a rarity for two redundant terms to be stuck together and then through perpetual use become the accepted (and there for correct) term.

I think chain mail is well established as a correct term for the work she is showing...despite the internal redundancy.
Jan. 14th, 2007 02:51 am (UTC)
And then after that's cleared up, we can get into the debate of whether it's mail or maille! Huzzah for finicky linguistic types such as ourselves! ^_^
Jan. 14th, 2007 03:09 am (UTC)
Joking aside, this comes down to a case of historical prescriptivism in the choice of personal use of language. (This was meant to be all one reply, but I accidentally hit 'post' so now it's broken in two. Ah well.)

'Mail' is the older form which was the Anglicized version of the Old French 'maille' to refer to (chain)mail(le) (hey, at least there's one bit in the middle we can all agree on, and that's better than some of these imbroglios I've found myself caught up in as a linguist!), which both come from the Latin 'macula' which means a mesh. It's related to 'immaculate' in some ways that are both extremely interesting and entirely unrelated to this discussion. But I digress.

As 'mail' accumulated other meanings, specifications in the term began to arise to disambiguate what someone was talking about, which is always a helpful thing for a language to do as it grows and changes. So 'chain mail,' with or without a hyphen or space, became more prevalent as a description of the object. As English-speaking groups moved further from French influences, the '-le' was also dropped in some areas, creating further linguistic diversity.

The Oxford English Dictionary (yup, have a copy, looked it up, am a huge and enthusiastic word geek!) recognizes 'mail,' 'maille,' and 'chain mail'
all as flexible armor made of rings or plates. One of the things I think the OED deserves to be lauded for is its flexibility of being extremely particular when new words are added, but also for its acknowledgment of the English language as an evolving, growing, changing beast, and its allowing of new words and new meanings of old ones to be added when they have sufficiently entered into common useage enough that they can be said to be fully acquired.

I think the confusion here is the SCA aspect, which within its own acronym fully honors that it is acting "out of time," that it is anachronistic. In the SCA, using any language that has come into English since whatever time period people are enacting at an event would be considered incorrect. However, outside of an SCA event, 'chain mail' is a fully functioning noun phrase member of our beautiful, awesome, ever-expanding language, and that's one of the things that I love most about having the good fortune of being a lingeek who was born a native English speaker, I got one of the richest, most diversified and bizarre languages in the world as my very first toy.
Jan. 14th, 2007 04:30 am (UTC)
Yeah. And if our diphthongs hadn't been monophthonged, we'd have the most throat-sore linguistic set in the world.

Now if only the Académie Française would acknowledge the same evolutionary point about the French language... It was only a couple of years ago that, indeed, we were allowed to liaise the "s" from plural articles with the silent "h" in certain words, like "hibou" and "haricots", effectively erasing the glottal stop from the language.

P.S. To keep the comment on topic: I love those chainmail (irk! irk!) samples. And had no idea of the variations on the "stitches". Is there a sort of pattern book?
Jan. 14th, 2007 09:44 am (UTC)
http://www.mailleartisans.org/ has a whole section with tutorials on all KINDS of different weaves, and it's awesome. Great community, tons of diversity, their tutes are organized by weave family/class/type and are all (at least all that I've looked at, which is a lot) extremely well-done with either photographic or 3D rendered pictorial explication. YUM!
Jan. 14th, 2007 09:26 pm (UTC)
Thank-you kindly... I'll check it out and bookmark it for future perusal (and consumption).
Jan. 13th, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC)
Ooooooh. Very nice!

Where do you get your rings from (or do you make them yourself)?
Jan. 13th, 2007 06:20 pm (UTC)
I'm curious, too!
Jan. 13th, 2007 06:30 pm (UTC)
Bwhahahaha, great icon.
Jan. 13th, 2007 07:03 pm (UTC)
I'm not the OP, but I get my rings from the Ring Lord, who sells everything. I really really like his stuff; I'm not patient enough to make my own rings. :)
Jan. 14th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC)
Most of the rings seen here are obtained from TheRingLord.com, but when I made my chainmail shirt (posted a long while back in this community), it was all hand-coiled and cut by myself :P
Jan. 14th, 2007 01:30 am (UTC)
wow, that's awesome!
Jan. 14th, 2007 07:56 pm (UTC)
Miso!!! <3
Jan. 13th, 2007 06:15 pm (UTC)
Wow, those are amazing, thank you for sharing.
Jan. 13th, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC)
Those are awesome. A friend of mine makes chainmail. I lack the patience for it. :)
Jan. 13th, 2007 06:25 pm (UTC)
Very very cool.
Jan. 13th, 2007 07:05 pm (UTC)
Awesome. I can't do much but European 4-1 and 6-1, and that's enough for me mostly. I'm curious as to where you get your info (patterns, if you call it that?) because maybe if I get brave I'll try some.

Also: your Japanese weave rocks my socks...it's really really beautiful.
Jan. 14th, 2007 01:12 am (UTC)
I figured out how to do most of the weaves at www.mailleartisans.org. There's instructions on how to make... well... a fair amount of those weaves. Many I had to figure out just by looking at a picture that someone else posted, and just... figure out how it was made, and with which ring sizes/etc. Lots of trial and error.

Then there's the Wilbert weave, which as stated in the original post, I designed and whatnot :P
Jan. 13th, 2007 08:00 pm (UTC)
All of that is amazing! An old friend of mine used to make these type of things, but none of it was this good! I wouldn't dare try to make any of this- it looks WAY too complicated. Except maybe the Japaneese 4-1. That just looks fun. Haha Great job on all of it!
Jan. 14th, 2007 02:09 am (UTC)
Me and chainmail do not get a long. :[
I tried it in class when I was still in school...and I messed it all up.

So, I had some kid make me a chainmail bracelet because I failed at life. haha.

If I can get the right wire, perhaps I'll try again.
Jan. 14th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC)
By a long...I mean along. x[

Ps. very nicely done. you have more patience than me.
Jan. 14th, 2007 05:13 am (UTC)
And again: wow. I've only done European 6-1. Didn't have the patience to explore everything. I got my rings from my brother, who purchased them for me through a Montreal-based company called "DNA 69". Last I heard, the owner had automated the linking part. Don't think he can do the variety you've got. The rings were wound and sawn anodized aluminum (plain grey, and gold/bronze), not clipped. I don't really like clipped. I seriously hope these guys are still in business. Everything googled with their business name comes up... genetic or sexual.
Jan. 14th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
Excellent! Thank you for sharing! I'm so putting this on my memories for future oggling and hopefully craft inspiration!
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