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Aug. 11th, 2003

i looked in the FAQ and didn't see anything on this. does anyone paint with oil paints? i've done some paintings with acrylics, but i've heard oil is alot easier to work with. what kind of paper do you use, can you mix them, any other advice? i've never used them before.

thanks!
sally

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mickyfaux
Aug. 11th, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)
I've painted with oils for years now, and I think they are easier than acrylics. They also have more vibrant colors (they don't turn that grayish tone when they dry). The only problem is patience: it takes alot longer to dry. Some colors, like burnt umber, take only a day to dry but others like white and alizarin crimson can take two or three weeks.

You can mix all the colors up in any way you want, but one word of caution. In oils, white is a VERY powerful color, so use it sparingly when mixing it with another color. You can have a gob of white, and mix black into it all day, and never have it even turn slightly gray. I have ruined many a color before by adding too much white, and then not being able to get it dark again.

As far as paper, you really don't want to use it. Paper can soak the oil out of the paint and you'll end up with a greasy mess. Generally people use canvas. You don't have to buy canvas that is stretched on a frame and expensive, they sell pads of canvas sheets which is exactly what I think you are looking for.

Oh, and buy turpintine or turpenoid (like turpentine, but without the smell) to clean your palette and brushes. Water doesn't do it like it does with acrylics. We all learned in grade school that water and oil won't mix ::grins:: And make sure you get paint brushes MEANT for oil paint, or the bristles may fall out.

I hope that helps, if I forgot to answer something you asked, lemme know.
balamuthia
Aug. 11th, 2003 11:47 am (UTC)
Hope this helps. ^_^


oils are messy, stinky and not water soluble. You have to mix/clean up with mineral spirits. Also, depending on the oils you get they are REEEALLY toxic. Also keep in mind that it can take up to a year for an oil piece to dry completely, and if the paint layers are too thick it will ruin the piece.

I prefer acrylics or tempera, but if you're looking for great texture and luminescence oils are probably your best bet.



iamthemuffin
Aug. 11th, 2003 11:50 am (UTC)
i don't know about *easier*, but you definitely get more time to work with oils, seeing as they take hours or days to dry. my problem with oils is that i don't have good enough ventilation to work with them, and i'm also impatient and i want things dry NOW.

make sure you keep in mind that oils are not water soluble, so you need turpentine or turpenoid to clean the brushes. to thin the paint and aid in mixing, you also should use some sort of mixing medium...there's tons out there, but i always just use a little bit of turpentine to help thin it out a bit.

as far as what you paint on, you can't use paper...the oils will seep into the paper and basically make it dissolve. you can either paint on canvas or masonite board, both of which need to be primed with gesso before you can paint on them. at art supply stores (and michael's, too) you can buy pre-primed masonite boards as well as pre-primed canvas-wrapped boards, which are pretty cheap and good to start out with.

good luck!
hipswiveler
Aug. 11th, 2003 11:54 am (UTC)
what other types of paints do you guys use? i'm not sure i want to use something that takes so long to dry, but acrylic seems to dry in like a minute.
iamthemuffin
Aug. 11th, 2003 12:07 pm (UTC)
i know there's an acrylic extender out there, an additive that you can mix in with your paints to make them dry slower. i've never used it, but it's worth a shot.
tiggzie
Aug. 11th, 2003 11:53 am (UTC)
Ooo Oil Paints. I don't paint with Oil Paint but my uncle does...A LOT. So here's the 411 as all the cool kids say:

Why Oil Paints?
Oils can be opaque and thick, or they can be thinned with a solvent to varying levels of transparency. They have take a while to dry, during which their colors do not change, which means you can re-do, correct, and scrape off areas of paint.

Any special brushes?
It's up to the artist to pick the brushes, almost any will work. Oil Paint brushes are usually longer so the artist can stay away from the canvas. They can be stiffer than other brushes and a palette (?) knife is also good for mixing (it's what my unc. uses)

What type of paper can be used?
Any heavy paper, canvas, linen, panel,or board can be used. basically if the colour doesn't bleed through, you can use it. Most artist also use a base when painting, some sort of solvent or something btw the paint and the actual canvas. You can look that up in a paint store, I'm sure. :)

If you want to really perserve a painting you can apply a varnish but I hear it can take months to fully dry. After it dries you can apply the varnish. Again ask your local art suppliers, I could be wrong. i know my uncle just hung his stuff up, made sure no dust got into it and varnished it after a long time.

When you use a palette paint can dry wuickly which means it can't be used anymore but if you wrap it tightly (read: no air) it'll stay moist and will not dry out. Also I hear the freezer works well...

Tips: Look into Bob Ross's wet on wet technique. When painting a multi-layer picture it used to be you would have to wait a long long time for each layer to dry. Bob Ross however developed this white layer (forgot the actual name) that keeps the paint wet and you can paint layer over layer in one sitting. VERY cool. Check out his website. I forgot his addy but if you just google "Bob Ross" it'll prolly be the first thing that pops up.


Um I'm sure I've bored the hell out of you ppl... :-p
xitsmylifex
Aug. 11th, 2003 01:12 pm (UTC)
bobross.com?
cherrystone
Aug. 11th, 2003 01:26 pm (UTC)
the thing with oil paints is that you have to mix them with some sort of medium or they will basically never dry. oils aren't all that difficult in my opinion, they just take more forethought.

but the effect is much nicer. :)

i usually use a standard cloth canvas, cover it with gesso and let that dry overnight, then sand it until it has a smooth finish. give it a shot - oils are definitely worth the effort!
pomoprincess
Aug. 11th, 2003 02:11 pm (UTC)
you definitely CAN paint with oils on paper, as long as you gesso the paper first. it may not have the "durability" of oil on canvas, but we're still talking years here. it won't fall apart the second oil touches it.

i like working on paper because it's a lot less precious than canvas..i.e. if you screw up starting over doesn't mean stretching a whole new canvas, so you are more likely to just go with what feels right rather than being too fussy. also, working within the four sides of square or rectangular canvas really bugs me, and it's a lot easier to get ahold of a BIG piece of paper than to stretch a huge canvas. in addition, to go really big, you might have to build your own stretcher bars.

also, you can always mount paper on board when you're done.
trar
Aug. 11th, 2003 03:17 pm (UTC)
it's the fumes talking
a bar of dove soap, a gallon of cheap ass interior white flat paint ($9 as opposed to $30 for 'artists gesso'), a $1.27 can of low odor mineral spirits and wal-mart has you set. they also sell a starter kit of georgian oil colors (student grade but will last you a while) for $14. they also sell pre-gessoed canvas board if you want to skip the gallon of paint. you can paint on anything. yeah, if you paint on paper it won't be around for your great-great-greats to get it appraised on antiques roadshow but it does some beautiful things)

you have everything you need. play.

(using more mineral spirits to thin the paint makes it dry faster; michaels sells mediums like japan dryer that will speed things up). now just have fun until you get addicted to the fumes. and ventilation is free--have you people ever heard of the sidewalk/beach/grassy knoll? ;o)
pomoprincess
Aug. 11th, 2003 05:43 pm (UTC)
Re: it's the fumes talking

AMEN!
jealousofthesky
Aug. 11th, 2003 07:31 pm (UTC)
i hate oils. oils are the devil.
ill stick with my acrylics <3
haha.
of course i have an aversion to anything that ISNT acrylic.
goauche and i dont get along.
water colors hate me.
dont get me started on why i dont like liquid tempera.
oil never.ever. dries and then your boyfriend picks it up and says 'OOOH' and touches something. and then you get into a fight on why he should just keep his stupid hands off of things in your room. which just turns into an even BIGGER fight.
i do like tempera blocks sometimes. and sometimes, even water color blocks. but never, ever do i like water color in a tube.

acrylics are my friend. haha.
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